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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
		<link>http://www.tastingmenu.com/2008/03/01/tip-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-6709</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a sommelier and recently had to decline what would have been a dream job in California! This was a brand new resort/ high end restaurant on the beach. I was offered a good hourly rate and a full server&#039;s cut in the tip pool. This practice is done at most Las Vegas restaurants.  The problem was the job title Supervisor/Sommelier.  In California they can not force a line employee to let a supervisor share in the tip pool.  So since I could not be guaranteed my full cut let alone any tips at all,  I am still employed in Las Vegas. I&#039;m sorry California, but I could not move my family to a much higher cost of living, to only make $16 dollars an hour! The restaurant was a michelin starred amazing eatery, but did have a need for the som to do some supervisory duties.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a sommelier and recently had to decline what would have been a dream job in California! This was a brand new resort/ high end restaurant on the beach. I was offered a good hourly rate and a full server&#8217;s cut in the tip pool. This practice is done at most Las Vegas restaurants.  The problem was the job title Supervisor/Sommelier.  In California they can not force a line employee to let a supervisor share in the tip pool.  So since I could not be guaranteed my full cut let alone any tips at all,  I am still employed in Las Vegas. I&#8217;m sorry California, but I could not move my family to a much higher cost of living, to only make $16 dollars an hour! The restaurant was a michelin starred amazing eatery, but did have a need for the som to do some supervisory duties.</p>
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		<title>By: dana</title>
		<link>http://www.tastingmenu.com/2008/03/01/tip-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-4857</link>
		<dc:creator>dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Max-  I wonder the same things as well.  It seems that the restaurant absorbs costs like these and transfers them to you in the price of your dining experience.  My only thought on this is that until all restaurants do this, those few that start the trend will simply be seen as having bloated prices by the public.  

It&#039;s much like the 2 to 4 dollar fuel surcharge tacked on to almost every delivery that comes in the restaurant now days.  When we shop for purveyors by the lowest price on dairy, meat, or what have you they can keep the cost to appear lower, retain our business, and then make up their own cost with the surcharge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max-  I wonder the same things as well.  It seems that the restaurant absorbs costs like these and transfers them to you in the price of your dining experience.  My only thought on this is that until all restaurants do this, those few that start the trend will simply be seen as having bloated prices by the public.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s much like the 2 to 4 dollar fuel surcharge tacked on to almost every delivery that comes in the restaurant now days.  When we shop for purveyors by the lowest price on dairy, meat, or what have you they can keep the cost to appear lower, retain our business, and then make up their own cost with the surcharge.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://www.tastingmenu.com/2008/03/01/tip-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-4853</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d be curious to find out why instead of having a service charge as a different line item, why isn&#039;t the cost of service built in the cost of the goods?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be curious to find out why instead of having a service charge as a different line item, why isn&#8217;t the cost of service built in the cost of the goods?</p>
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		<title>By: The Human Museum</title>
		<link>http://www.tastingmenu.com/2008/03/01/tip-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-4693</link>
		<dc:creator>The Human Museum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 23:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hear, hear!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear!</p>
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		<title>By: dana</title>
		<link>http://www.tastingmenu.com/2008/03/01/tip-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-4660</link>
		<dc:creator>dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sheng-  Ask your server to deliver a tip directly to the kitchen in cash, or if they give you a tour of the kitchen, &quot;palm&quot; someone like the sous chef/lead cook.  This is the act of hiding the bill in your palm and shaking hands with one of the cooks/chef.  It will get shared, no doubt.

Brett- Thanks, and this talk of mandated benefits is news to me.  Do they simply have to offer benefits at a cost to the employee, pay half, or pay the full amount?

I hate the idea of tacking a service charge onto the end of the bill.  To me things like this should be absorbed in the over all cost of the menu.  It&#039;s like the fuel surcharge I now see on all my delivery invoices.  3 dollars per delivery.  I would rather see it absorbed blindly than feel nickle and dimed to death.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheng-  Ask your server to deliver a tip directly to the kitchen in cash, or if they give you a tour of the kitchen, &#8220;palm&#8221; someone like the sous chef/lead cook.  This is the act of hiding the bill in your palm and shaking hands with one of the cooks/chef.  It will get shared, no doubt.</p>
<p>Brett- Thanks, and this talk of mandated benefits is news to me.  Do they simply have to offer benefits at a cost to the employee, pay half, or pay the full amount?</p>
<p>I hate the idea of tacking a service charge onto the end of the bill.  To me things like this should be absorbed in the over all cost of the menu.  It&#8217;s like the fuel surcharge I now see on all my delivery invoices.  3 dollars per delivery.  I would rather see it absorbed blindly than feel nickle and dimed to death.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheng</title>
		<link>http://www.tastingmenu.com/2008/03/01/tip-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-4576</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 06:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Point well taken. In regard to your last point, how do you tip the kitchen directly?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point well taken. In regard to your last point, how do you tip the kitchen directly?</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://www.tastingmenu.com/2008/03/01/tip-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-4564</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 03:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dana, between this post and the previous one you wrote on pastry chefs, you&#039;re becoming one of the most articulate spokespeople for explaining the contradictions of our industry. I applaud your clearly articulated viewpoints and encourage you to keep on shining the spotlight on the dilemmas that face the passionate, hardworking back of the house staff.

I agree with your viewpoint entirely. Every employee of the restaurant, from the dishwasher on up, contributes to the service experience and deserves a portion of the tip pool. Service is a team effort. Unfortunately, in California at least, the law sees things differently. I don&#039;t know how the law is interpreted in your state, but in California tips are officially the property of the server who receives them, not the restaurant. Legally, restaurants cannot dictate a policy mandating or even suggesting how the server distributes those tips with other restaurant staff. Granted, many restaurants thankfully ignore this law and encourage servers to share a small portion of their tips with cooks and dishwashers. Unfortunately, the government (I forget which branch oversees this) is cracking down on restaurants that do this.

The only way around the law is to do what the Laundry, Chez Panisse, Coi and a few other Bay Area restaurants do. They tack on a &quot;service charge&quot; of 18-20%. Service charges are legally different from tips. They become the property of the restaurant. The management can then distribute the tips in a more equitable manner. It&#039;s kind of a bummer that it has to be done this way, because it leaves open the possibility of abuse from greedy owners. But, so long as the process is open and transparent and their is some oversight, it can work. Some San Francisco restaurants are adding smaller service charges to help cover the cost of the newly mandated benefits for restaurant workers. But that&#039;s another more complicated issue and I&#039;ve gone on long enough. Keep on writing your excellent behind-the-scenes viewpoints!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana, between this post and the previous one you wrote on pastry chefs, you&#8217;re becoming one of the most articulate spokespeople for explaining the contradictions of our industry. I applaud your clearly articulated viewpoints and encourage you to keep on shining the spotlight on the dilemmas that face the passionate, hardworking back of the house staff.</p>
<p>I agree with your viewpoint entirely. Every employee of the restaurant, from the dishwasher on up, contributes to the service experience and deserves a portion of the tip pool. Service is a team effort. Unfortunately, in California at least, the law sees things differently. I don&#8217;t know how the law is interpreted in your state, but in California tips are officially the property of the server who receives them, not the restaurant. Legally, restaurants cannot dictate a policy mandating or even suggesting how the server distributes those tips with other restaurant staff. Granted, many restaurants thankfully ignore this law and encourage servers to share a small portion of their tips with cooks and dishwashers. Unfortunately, the government (I forget which branch oversees this) is cracking down on restaurants that do this.</p>
<p>The only way around the law is to do what the Laundry, Chez Panisse, Coi and a few other Bay Area restaurants do. They tack on a &#8220;service charge&#8221; of 18-20%. Service charges are legally different from tips. They become the property of the restaurant. The management can then distribute the tips in a more equitable manner. It&#8217;s kind of a bummer that it has to be done this way, because it leaves open the possibility of abuse from greedy owners. But, so long as the process is open and transparent and their is some oversight, it can work. Some San Francisco restaurants are adding smaller service charges to help cover the cost of the newly mandated benefits for restaurant workers. But that&#8217;s another more complicated issue and I&#8217;ve gone on long enough. Keep on writing your excellent behind-the-scenes viewpoints!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.tastingmenu.com/2008/03/01/tip-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-4562</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen!</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://www.tastingmenu.com/2008/03/01/tip-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-4561</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow.  I guess I&#039;m naive (and I know I&#039;m lucky in that I&#039;ve always worked in places that tip out to the kitchen) but I canNOT believe there are people dumb and/or vile enough to resent tip-sharing.  Seriously.  Are these the same people who&#039;ve lost such sight of what they&#039;re getting at a restaurant that they complain about the cost of their meal if it&#039;s something they could make cheaper at home?  Dear restaurant customers of the world: If you feel like your server would be getting stiffed by losing a portion of the tip you left, maybe that&#039;s because you didn&#039;t leave enough.  Love, Tracy.

P.S. For less bitchy commentary on tip-sharing (and I will now be listing the above post among my favorites in that category), I really like &lt;a href=&quot;http://thelinkery.com/blog/?p=311&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Linkery&#039;s &quot;About Our No-Tipping Policy&quot;&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://thelinkery.com/blog/?p=304&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;their Q &amp; A pages on the subject&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I guess I&#8217;m naive (and I know I&#8217;m lucky in that I&#8217;ve always worked in places that tip out to the kitchen) but I canNOT believe there are people dumb and/or vile enough to resent tip-sharing.  Seriously.  Are these the same people who&#8217;ve lost such sight of what they&#8217;re getting at a restaurant that they complain about the cost of their meal if it&#8217;s something they could make cheaper at home?  Dear restaurant customers of the world: If you feel like your server would be getting stiffed by losing a portion of the tip you left, maybe that&#8217;s because you didn&#8217;t leave enough.  Love, Tracy.</p>
<p>P.S. For less bitchy commentary on tip-sharing (and I will now be listing the above post among my favorites in that category), I really like <a href="http://thelinkery.com/blog/?p=311" rel="nofollow">The Linkery&#8217;s &#8220;About Our No-Tipping Policy&#8221;</a> and <a href="http://thelinkery.com/blog/?p=304" rel="nofollow">their Q &amp; A pages on the subject</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Lane Rosenberry</title>
		<link>http://www.tastingmenu.com/2008/03/01/tip-pools/comment-page-1/#comment-4559</link>
		<dc:creator>Lane Rosenberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I couldn&#039;t agree with you more.  I tipped out kitchen works better with the front of the house than a non-tipped kitchen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.  I tipped out kitchen works better with the front of the house than a non-tipped kitchen.</p>
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